Transcribed by Nizar milbes
Derek: Hello and welcome to coffee break, I’m Derek
Edgar: im Edgar
nizar: im nizar
Derek: and today were kind of going to talk about what happened in Mexico over the last couple days, do
You want to tell us what happened Edgar?
Edgar: some of you guys might know they arrested el chap and that’s what they call him, they arrested
His son. And so that called a whole purest basically the Mexican citizens were saying hey he kind of
Provides for us and it caused this whole dilemma where the gang the cartel who supports him basically
Starting taking everyone hostage and started shooting people and it was just a mess. But basically the
Big thing going around is obviously one because has el chaos son and he was released by the Mexican
President because the Mexican president wanted to avoid conflict. And that’s what everyone is kind of
Talking about at what point do you sacrifice lives to keep a criminal in jail
nizar: yea I think that before you move in to apprehend somebody you got to take into consideration
First of all are you capable of doing it and if you’re not the worst thing is for an authority to go and try to
Do something and them to not be able to complete the task because it just shows that there incapable of
Protecting the citizens
Edgar: if you look at what there president said his statement said we can’t fight fire with fire. That’s the
Whole point of fighting .yea
Derek: you gotta, you got to go all in
Edgar: when it comes to that for example he went after him and then he decided that he didn’t want a
War when you tack someone that big you already started a war. It’s not like Mexico wasn’t already in
Trouble with the cartel.
Derek: but from when el chap was in jail he was already paying off the military to watch over him
Edgar: yea they were on his payroll
Nizar: yea it’s very sad to see that they went through all that to capture el chap and now his son is in
Charge and nothing has changed
Edgar: yea capturing his son doesn’t justify the fact this was a poorly planned mission basically this was a
very last minute decision they decided to plan ok were going to try to arrest him it was really poorly
Executed they were kind of calling it was black pops mission. But when half the of the people going to
Arrest him are on el chaos payroll it’s not much of a black pops mission and then poorly planned poorly
Executed and poorly handled once they actually got him.
Derek: me I think I told somebody I think Jacobs and I were talking about it I think the way to handle this
is I know where the united sates and Mexico aren’t really buddy buddy right now but you get the seal
Team goes in there get his son get him out
Edgar: yea the official Guam was originally in a house in Culiacan between 330 and 5 pm and that
Triggered the response of the cartel. My thing is if you’re going for somebody first of all why you would attack at 3 pm when everyone is out
Derek: that’s the worst thing of the subject
Edgar: and at this point they already got him they deployed men they deployed troops the police force but then the second they were met with the cartel they backed out they abandoned ship
Derek: so near how would you handle something like that?
Nizar: I think whets really crazy the fact that the united states all the power that we have were so concerned especially the conservatives and the right wing that we have all these people coming and try to come in our contort because they’re leaving because they have no choice theyre living in poverty and scared for there lives. We can’t coordinate with Mexico and South American countries. They better the lives of people there so they don’t seek to leave. I think that obviously Mexico doesn’t have the capability to defeat the cartel so they going to need outside help. So definitely the we should get involved instead of wasting their money in the Middle East and onward we should be protecting our neighboring countries
Derek: that’s a big controversy right there. I mean we should be able to protect whats around us.
Nizar: yea a lot of people don’t know the majority of their customers are here in the us. You see all these problems of these peple getting killed for the appetite of American citizens for drugs. Its crazy I thkn it could easedily be solved without interfering these other countries. Send tropps there or coordinate with Mexico. And defeat just defeat. And it’s still proper security. Cause it also effects us here as well not only in Mexico.
Edgar: and taken a look at Mexico its self at no poet should a country reach a point where they are outmatched in force by the cartel. Mexico is saying oh were outmatched by the military force by the cartel.
Derek: right
Edgar: Mexico saying oh was outmatched in military force by the cartel. That a whole problem in itself. When the cartel has military grade weapons they carjacking people they put a whole city under siege. And at that point Mexico has to have something they can pull off.
Derek: ok so where did they get these kind of weapons form
Edgar: exactly, these aren’t weapons that you can find anywhere.
Nizar: well it’s not even the snipers it’s the rockets grenades.
Edgar: cartel was a more coordinated and better armed than the police force in Mexico.
Honestly Mexico dropped the gun they said hey we know here he is lets go after him this isn’t like handling some terrorist this is a whole different this is somebody who the whole city not just regular people the Mexican people are going to say they pissed off the cartel. Because in that city if you want food or help you don’t go to the government you go to the cartel.
Nizar: so where is the lawlessness where are the areas where the government has no control.
Edgar: honestly it’s everywhere.
Nizar: but where central or south?
Edgar: it’s usually when you get down more souths.
Mazatlan. That’s just terrible. It had 39 homicides for every 100,000 people. And that’s in Sinaloa and it’s a place to visit like a vacation or something like that. Anything but if you look at that cartel there smart they know they need to keep the business running to keep the country running.
Derek: ohm so they go after the smaller seeds.
Edgar: ye exactly it’s something that’s played very smart
Near: yea I heard in Acapulco there were a lot of killings there.
Edgar: how do you let a 100 people die in a year.
It has 101 homicides per ever 100,000 people.
Near; in one year?
Edgar: yep. And that’s just cause they call It a homicide after 5 days if you don’t show up if your missing then people assume it’s the cartel but people are just missing.
Were at the point where as you said its 2 honestly northern Mexico isn’t doing to bad beacasye they know if they mess up
Derek: so that city is right on the coast
Edgar: and it yes. And you know the thing is you see its right there and we have earned issue because iffy outlook at maxi layout you need to cross back and forth. If we get caught here we just go through water. Mexico is not even known for their navy.
Derek: did you know that?
Near: I mean they should haws the navy
Derek: Costa Rica is the only country in South America without a military.
Near: only police?
Derek: only police.
Edgar: yea if you look at for example what we say is first world and third world is not really accurate. Because Mexico by definition is a 1st world country. Their developed they have these really nice cities, transportation. All that stuff. So by defeinion they are a first world country. But if you look at a sociology definition in effective state ineffective state and failed state. Mexico is getting dangerously close to failed state. For those of you that don’t know the detention an effective state is the government has powered there support people go to the policitcans if they have a problem. When you get into an ineffective state where it’s like in the middle if you know something you go to your city and if they don’t do it you go to local dealer or the cartel. And then you have the failed state where the government has no power and are at the mercy of the cartel. And if you look at this. And you realize that the mix co police force the military they retreated because the cartel told them to. And that’s really starting to sound like a failed state. You should not get to a point where there is no military. In our country in LA if the gangs brought out their guns we would not tolerate that. You know how fast the National Guard would be there. Like that the National Guard would be there right away the military within hours everyone will be there the whole military. Three would be no tolerance for that.
Nasr: yea I think it’s that um Mexico when you say fail state they have been going down that road for a while now. With the cartel pretty much running everything.
Edgar: and taken a look at Mexico its self at no poet should a country reach a point where they are outmatched in force by the cartel. Mexico is saying oh were outmatched by the military force by the cartel.
Derek: right
Edgar: Mexico saying oh was outmatched in military force by the cartel. That a whole problem in itself. When the cartel has military grade weapons they carjacking people they put a whole city under siege. And at that point Mexico has to have something they can pull off.
Derek: ok so where did they get these kind of weapons form
Edgar: exactly, these aren’t weapons that you can find anywhere.
Nizar: well it’s not even the snipers it’s the rockets grenades.
Edgar: cartel was a more coordinated and better armed than the police force in Mexico.
Honestly Mexico dropped the gun they said hey we know here he is lets go after him this isn’t like handling some terrorist this is a whole different this is somebody who the whole city not just regular people the Mexican people are going to say they pissed off the cartel. Because in that city if you want food or help you don’t go to the government you go to the cartel.
Nizar: so where is the lawlessness where are the areas where the government has no control.
Edgar: honestly it’s everywhere.
Nizar: but where central or south?
Edgar: it’s usually when you get down more souths.
Mazatlan. That’s just terrible. It had 39 homicides for every 100,000 people. And that’s in Sinaloa and it’s a place to visit like a vacation or something like that. Anything but if you look at that cartel there smart they know they need to keep the business running to keep the country running.
Derek: ohm so they go after the smaller seeds.
Edgar: ye exactly it’s something that’s played very smart
Nizar: yea I heard in Acapulco there were a lot of killings there.
Edgar: how do you let a 100 people die in a year.
It has 101 homicides per ever 100,000 people.
Nizar; in one year?
Edgar: yes one year.
Derek: well I don’t think that is gonna hcnage anytime soon. The way its set up.
Edgar: well like I said they need to approach this with the United States and take them down internally and cripple the cartels.
Nizar: yea it’s very sad to see that they went through all that to capture el chap and now his son is in
Charge and nothing has changed
Edgar: yea capturing his son doesn’t justify the fact this was a poorly planned mission basically this was a
very last minute decision they decided to plan ok were going to try to arrest him it was really poorly
Executed they were kind of calling it was black pops mission. But when half the of the people going to
Arrest him are on el chaos payroll it’s not much of a black pops mission and then poorly planned poorly
Executed and poorly handled once they actually got him.
Derek: me I think I told somebody I think Jacobs and I were talking about it I think the way to handle this
is I know where the united sates and Mexico aren’t really buddy buddy right now but you get the seal
Team goes in there get his son get him out
Edgar: yea the official Guam was originally in a house in Culiacan between 330 and 5 pm and that
Triggered the response of the cartel. My thing is if you’re going for somebody first of all why you would attack at 3 pm when everyone is out
Derek: that’s the worst thing of the subject
Edgar: and at this point they already got him they deployed men they deployed troops the police force but then the second they were met with the cartel they backed out they abandoned ship
Derek: so near how would you handle something like that?
Nizar: I think whets really crazy the fact that the united states all the power that we have were so concerned especially the conservatives and the right wing that we have all these people coming and try to come in our contort because they’re leaving because they have no choice theyre living in poverty and scared for there lives. We can’t coordinate with Mexico and South American countries. They better the lives of people there so they don’t seek to leave. I think that obviously Mexico doesn’t have the capability to defeat the cartel so they going to need outside help. So definitely the we should get involved instead of wasting their money in the Middle East and onward we should be protecting our neighboring countries
Derek: that’s a big controversy right there. I mean we should be able to protect whats around us.
Nizar: yea a lot of people don’t know the majority of their customers are here in the us. You see all these problems of these peple getting killed for the appetite of American citizens for drugs. Its crazy I thkn it could easedily be solved without interfering these other countries. Send tropps there or coordinate with Mexico. And defeat just defeat. And it’s still proper security. Cause it also effects us here as well not only in Mexico.
Derek: right, is there anything else you want to tell us, edgar, nizar?
Edgar: nothing just hoping we figure a solution out
Nizar: yes me too hoping mexico and the united states works together to come to a solution.
Derek: so this is the coffee brealk im Derek
Edgar:
Im edgar
Nizar: im nizar
Derek: ill see you guys next time.
